Steven DeCaprio is known as one of the most knowledgeable squatters in the United States. For this old punk rocker, it’s not just a free home: It’s political. He believes it’s criminal that people are homeless while abandoned homes sit vacant. Could squatting help stem gentrification in Oakland, California? It might depend on who’s squatting—and who lives next door.

This story aired on Slate’s Placemakers podcast in 2016.